Baroness Casey hits out at 'do-gooders' for 'giving racists more ammunition'
Sophy Ridge turns next to the ethnicity of perpetrators, and the section of Baroness Louise Casey's report that talks about the "palpable discomfort in any discussion of ethnicity".
Casey wrote: "The system claims there is an overwhelming problem with white perpetrators when that can't be proved."
Asked what she meant by that, Casey explains that ethnicity data is not being properly collected by police, the local authorities, nor the Home Office.
"I looked at the latest data - to be fair to the last government, they had a slightly better go at it," she says.
"It's a third. So you only collect ethnicity in a third of the cases, and of that third, 80% are white. That doesn't tell me the perpetrators of child sexual exploitation are white - it tells me you don't know.
"And I really object to that because I think it isn't fair on the victims. And it also isn't fair on Asian and Pakistani communities who are almost tarnished by that, when actually the national data doesn't take you there. "
Casey criticises 'do-gooders'
Asked directly if there is an issue with some British Asian men, Casey replies: "Well, yes, because it's abundantly clear from the West Yorkshire Police data from the Greater Manchester Police data and South Yorkshire Police data.
"You do have in child sexual exploitation a disproportionality."
Establishing the facts can "take the pain out of this".
She adds: "I think you've got sort of do-gooders that don't really want this to be found because, you know, 'Oh, God, then all the racists are going to be more racist'.
"Well, actually, people that are racist are going to use this anyway. All you're doing with the hate mongers and the racists is giving them more and more ammunition."
She adds: "Follow the facts and if anything is ever difficult, have a really good look at it."
'We have to grasp this as a society'
Asked if there has a tendency to label people raising concerns about this as racist, Casey replies: "Yes. I mean, I found it in Rotherham."
She says she saw in Rotherham the word "Pakistani" tippexed out of documents, which "inadvertently was giving ammunition to the English Defence League".
"I think the problem is that people are worried about being called racist, in a way, they just give more ammunition.
"If good people don't grasp difficult things, bad people will, and that's why we have to do it as a society."